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January 21

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January 21, 2025 (2025-01-21) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

RD: Jules Feiffer

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Article: Jules Feiffer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American cartoonist, death announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) Kartalkaya hotel fire

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Article: 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in a ski resort hotel in Kartalkaya, Bolu Province, Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
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Nominator's comments: Another tragedy. Another article to work. ArionStar (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Like all of my other votes, Oppose on quality but Support on notability Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloxzge 025: in good shape now. ArionStar (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Håkon Bleken

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Article: Håkon Bleken (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, abcnyheter.no
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. Oceanh (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trump executive orders

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Article: List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incoming US President Donald Trump (pictured) issues a flurry of executive orders including withdrawal from the Paris Agreement and the World Health Organization (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera, DW
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a nomination for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the American Wikipedia; this is the English Wikipedia. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:C5C1:C762:3EA7:2882 (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? Black Kite (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Front-page news everywhere PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, oppose the other orders or lumping them together, strong oppose on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For the exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. nableezy - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 20

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January 20, 2025 (2025-01-20) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: John Sykes

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Article: John Sykes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Guitarist for Whitesnake, The Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 College Football Playoff

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Article: 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In college football Ohio State defeats Notre Dame to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In college football the Ohio State Buckeyes defeat the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff.
News source(s): Guardian live updates
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Nominator's comments: They finally found a way to hike tournament size from 4 teams to 12 removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+New Years Six tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is not the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. Noah, BSBATalk 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than Super Bowl quarterback Brock Purdy. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. Noah, BSBATalk 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. HiLo48 (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moved. Masem (t) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not UTC date? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that. — Masem (t) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, once winner determined. This is a massive, massive deal in the U.S. – the second biggest sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 ("Record number of international athletes proves college football is now global"), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive several million per year for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the largest sports stadiums in the world being for college football. I previously made a comparison of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly every single one we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals and the World Series, which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The game is not over yet. ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability per Beanie. The Kip (contribs) 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. nableezy - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting any university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only very minor rules adjustments, less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. Modest Genius talk 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They make up to $6.2 million from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks

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Article: 2025 Catatumbo attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of attacks perpetrated by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region, Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of attacks in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict. ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cecile Richards

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Article: Cecile Richards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

:Weak oppose 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. Departure– (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Second inauguration of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump and JD Vance are inaugurated as President and Vice President of the United States.
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This occurs at noon EST today. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. Departure– (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:3DEF:5E7B:72CC:6A64 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

January 19

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January 19, 2025 (2025-01-19) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg

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Article: Jeff Torborg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml

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Article: Kulanthai Shanmugalingam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northbeat
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka Abishe (talk) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States

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Withdrawn. Royiswariii 23:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Restrictions on TikTok in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Social media platform TikTok (message pictured) suspends operations in the United States after its parent company ByteDance fails to sell the app to a U.S. based buyer. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Social media TikTok (message pictured) is officially shut down in the United States following ByteDance inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) following ByteDance's inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) in anticipation of legislation banning the app.
News source(s): TheVerge CNN Rappler Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Also, nominated by QalasQalas Royiswariii Talk! 04:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free speach speech" 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support with modifications. Shutdown is a noun, so it should say "shut down in the United States". 675930s (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 06:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support the original altblurb II. Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States, as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. 2600:1700:5890:69F0:3DB3:30C8:4F5F:E360 (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support first blurb. Obviously notable Personisinsterest (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better Personisinsterest (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt Personisinsterest (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original blurb Of course. ArionStar (talk) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --Masem (t) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --Masem (t) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see [7]), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.
      I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US. — Masem (t) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. Royiswariii Talk! 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been any progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
      Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China [8]. Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). Masem (t) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt blurb 3; it's worth mentioning the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Should this image be used instead of the current skinny image? AlphaBeta135talk 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @AlphaBeta135, I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. Royiswariii Talk! 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changed. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
TikTok bans
Wikipedia bans
  • Support The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". Khuft (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to Oppose given the latest developments. Khuft (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Claire van Kampen

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Article: Claire van Kampen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the Royal Shakespeare Company, who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please check, Fakescientist8000

(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran

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Article: 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two Sharia judges are assassinated and two other people are injured in a mass shooting at the Supreme Court of Iran (pictured) in capital Tehran. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Relevant event in the judicial history of the country. ArionStar (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The Kip (contribs) 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion

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Article: 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explosion near Suleja, Niger state, Nigeria, kills at least 96 people and injures 69 others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: High number of deaths. ArionStar (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Russell Marshall

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Article: Russell Marshall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz, Radio New Zealand
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced. Kiwichris (talk) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 17

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Didier Guillaume

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Blurb: ​ Didier Guillaume, the Minister of State of Monaco, dies, and Isabelle Berro-Amadeï is appointed as the acting Minister of State (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde Sarajevo Times Monaco Tribune
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government TNM101 (chat) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per Minister of State (Monaco), The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco and the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military. They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.
Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough on their own to post on ITN with a blurb. According to Monarchy of Monaco, only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that head of government is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
And ultimately, the results of general elections are already able to be posted, so the only thing that saying Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page List of current heads of state and government. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: Charles III, and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The head of state of Monaco is the prince. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat medium support. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which administers the executive", per our article on the office. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, our article on the monarchy states Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Wikipedia disagree. </joke> -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. Scuba 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
RD Only - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. 1779Days (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. Aydoh8[contribs] 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb/RD: Denis Law

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Article: Denis Law (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Record goalscorer for Manchester United and the Scotland national team, Ballon d'Or winner (1964). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Law wasn't in the United team for the 1968 European Cup final, because he was injured. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright

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Article: Joan Plowright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 wizzito | say hello! 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 16

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(Review needed) RD: Hans Dobida

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Article: Hans Dobida (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12][13]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Copyedit and updates complete. I feel it is ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) California fires to ongoing

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Article: January 2025 Southern California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below. Stephen 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MtPenguinMonster they already have. The Kip (contribs) 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. Masem (t) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull from ongoing No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. Departure– (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Glenn launch

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Article: New Glenn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few Super heavy-lift launch vehicles. 109.166.233.124 (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@109.166.233.124 Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. SpectralIon 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SpectralIon: I took care of fixing the nom. The Kip (contribs) 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Kip Alright, then I would say Support on Notability since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --SpectralIon 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, weak support on quality. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. Modest Genius talk 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. Ergzay (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly as planned. Modest Genius talk 14:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment and support on notability. There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --Ouro (blah blah) 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Quality is adequate The Kip (contribs) 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that soft support as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. Scuba 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergzay (talk • contribs)
It's a huge development, User:Ergzay. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. Nfitz (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of those Starship ITN requests have been actually posted because of people lacking technical understanding of the subject. First of all Starship hasn't been trying to achieve orbit in any of those tests yet. They've been trying to achieve both stage reusability. It's also the largest rocket in history, by a large margin.
Perhaps I'm overreaching with claiming its not a competitor to SLS, but its clear its not in the same rocket class as SLS and definitely not a competitor to Starship which is in a much higher class of vehicle and also aiming for full reusability. New Glenn's turnaround time is not measured in weeks, not yet. I'm not sure how it is "ahead" of Starship when it's not even aiming for the same capability. It's purpose is different. Ergzay (talk) 09:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability. We posted milestones for both Starship and Falcon 9, and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. Tradediatalk 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. Jusdafax (talk) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There seems to have been a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch

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Article: David Lynch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American filmmaker David Lynch dies at the age of 78. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jon698 (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting strong oppose Per DMartin. Also I'd bet a very strong majority people on Wikipedia never even heard this man's name and even more don't know who he is. Keep this to the recent deaths section. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:D98D:390A:3EE1:CE70 (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker

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Article: Bob Uecker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 15

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RD: Tommy Brown (baseball)

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Article: Tommy Brown (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Youngest position player in MLB history at 16. Article has referencing issues. Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, article title is at (baseball). Natg 19 (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi

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Article: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ETV Urdu, The Observer Post
Credits:

Article updated
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An Indian Islamic scholar, writer, and the secretary of Nadwatul Ulama at the time of his death. Khaatir (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Stephanie Aeffner

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Article: Stephanie Aeffner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel Zeit
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German Member of Parliament TNM101 (chat) 07:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Diane Langton

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Article: Diane Langton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English actress, singer and dancer – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Linda Nolan

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Article: Linda Nolan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Irish singer and television personality – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Hoffman

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Article: Jack Hoffman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Omaha World-Herald, ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is in good shape. –DMartin 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Israel-Hamas ceasefire

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Article: Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ceasefire agreement is reached to halt the Israel–Hamas war (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel and Hamas agree to a three-phase ceasefire proposal that aims to end 15 months of war in the Gaza Strip.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Israel and Hamas agree to a temporary ceasefire including the release of 33 hostages and thousands of Palestinian prisoners-of-war.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
Credits:

 Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support on notability About time. Departure– (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also add oppose on quality for now - article is insufficiently updated as it stands (given the news broke minutes ago). Departure– (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb. Departure– (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Departure– are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). Departure– (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right, so the word "end" might not be appropriate.VR (Please ping on reply) 18:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support on article quality, support on notability - A ceasefire agreement in what is probably the largest current geopolitical conflict currently ongoing is important stuff. Quality seems OK, just needs to be updated. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you've mixed up your votes, @Wildfireupdateman ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oops Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
changed :) Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, noting that yet another article was created at 2025 Israel–Hamas ceasefire, meaning a merge should definitely be considered. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Cannot jump the gun here, the article as of now begins with "is a proposed" i.e. not official and not announced by either party. A prisoner exchange is apparently official but the significance lies in the broader ceasefire agreement not the exchange itself. We can and should wait till this is official. Gotitbro (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, but if nothing changes for one hour promote this quickly. JayCubby 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - We aren't a news ticker. No need to keep trying to throw breaking news up on the main page as fast as possible. We should be waiting for more developments to come out. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 18:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    .....this is a section called In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    For featuring quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to perform the functions of a newspaper. Quality can't be there until more terms of the ceasefire are known. Masem (t) 20:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    And now it looks like Israel and Hamas are quarreling over the final details of the ceasefire, holding up its approval. ITN is here to highlight quality articles about current events. No article can be of main page quality if it’s an hour old - and people saying things like “post this breaking story to the main page immediately” don’t seem to understand that. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 11:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose declaring a ceasefire and holding a successful ceasefire are two very different things; they can announce a ceasefire multiple times in various ways and combinations and agree on anything they like, but it will be meaningless until the ceasefire agreement actually results in one; given how few ceasefires hold and how volatile this particular situation is, this isn't much more than pure politics at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:CRYSTAL. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. The Kip (contribs) 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. Modest Genius talk 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Modest Genius I fully agree, hence why I struck my initial vote and changed to Wait - I’m just saying that I think it’s CRYSTAL to oppose posting it because it might not hold once in effect. The Kip (contribs) 20:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. Modest Genius talk 20:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, then support upon confirmation of the agreement by Israel If signed by both sides, this is monumental. Responding to Abcmaxx, only the signing of an agreement itself, not it celebrating its future hypothetical six month or one year anniversary, is the type of thing we can post at ITN. We don't post anniversaries. This ceasefire agreement is also the first time Israel has acceded to a mass release of Palestinian prisoners and the first time they have agreed to a path towards a permanent end to the current war. That is extremely notable, even if it ends up dissolving after a few weeks. WP:CRYSTAL also applies here - political theorizations that this is doomed to fail because within x y or z number of days do not negate notability. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand the WP:CRYSTAL arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Grand words and crossed fingers are what goes in ITN. doesn't matter if somehow it fails.
    See, the reason we nominate this for ITN because it is breaking news. Not because its a landmark, commitment to peace, etc. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 08:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait/Support for the deal going into effect. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support notable and major event
QalasQalas (talk) 20:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Angusgtw, and also per article quality. I'd only heard of this a few minutes ago and when I went to read the article it was not satisfactory to sate my curiosity about the actual agreement that happened on 15 January. /home/gracen/ (they/them) 16:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Notable, but it's not 100% confirmed yet (Israeli cabinet needs to agree). Bremps... 18:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That would be true, if it wasn't already listed in ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 17:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Post its important and to check why others refuse:
1) It may not actually lead to anything. well guess what, the section is "In The News", not "Development of Peace" or something like that. And this is very much in the news.
2) It's only temporary. Yes, the blurb makes it look like it's finally over, but @Nfitz has added ALT2 which seems better.
3) It didn't even happen yet. Okay, until 2 hours ago at least. Now I guess we don't have to wait, right?
4) Israel can just stop it. Once again, it's In The News and not "Development of Peace". Now for those who were saying that before the ceasefire begun, I can understand. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Scratchinghead not to mention, those arguing #1 and #4 (and somewhat #2) are firmly into WP:CRYSTAL territory. The Kip (contribs) 17:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't mention the only issue, Scratchinghead, that I think is stopping this getting blurbed. It's already in the ITN in ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy post Ceasefire is in effect, hostages are being exchanged currently. Lets get this through now. Personisinsterest (talk) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: this is good to go. The Kip (contribs) 17:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which blurb? Valereee (talk) 17:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee just speaking for myself, but IMO the original blurb is best;
  • ALT1 implies the entire three-phase deal has been agreed to in order to end the war, when in reality only phase 1 has been agreed to and the Israeli gov thus far seems not keen on further phases.
  • ALT2 implies all Palestinian prisoners being released are POWs/combatants from the current war, when many (most?) are not - some are, some are civilians, some were convicted of terrorism or other non-combat charges, etc.
I would prefer something like "A ceasefire agreement is reached to halt the Israel–Hamas war, involving the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners," but that would also be a supervote on my part.
The Kip (contribs) 17:55, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps "suspend" would be better than "halt". I'm having trouble seeing why this is anymore significant than the last cease fire. ALT-2 was an attempt to make something that didn't announce the end of the war. Nfitz (talk) 18:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm having trouble seeing why this is anymore significant than the last cease fire.
@Nfitz In theory, per negotiators, this ceasefire is intended to ultimately reach an end to the war as part of the three-phase framework; last year's ceasefire didn't carry the same connotations for anyone but the most optimistic. It's not guaranteed that it does, but similarly, there's no guarantee it doesn't; WP:CRYSTAL dictates we can't make that decision ourselves. The Kip (contribs) 18:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So how is this not already covered in ongoing, and should we leave it in ongoing? (I'd strongly support if it wasn't in ongoing) Nfitz (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz:
  1. Ongoing is not a universal override against including any events from an item in ITN - it instead heavily raises the bar for anything from that item to appear. I believe we posted the Kursk offensive last year and the Kharkiv/Kherson counteroffensives the year before, despite the Russian invasion of Ukraine already being there.
  2. As per precedence from the invasion of Lebanon item, we should probably leave it in ongoing until a definitive conclusion can be made on whether it's truly at an end - in this case, at least through when we know if phase 2 will actually go into effect.
The Kip (contribs) 18:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just reading that Israel has killed 19 people in Gaza today alone - hours after they were supposed to stop fighting. This all feels too soon to me. Nfitz (talk) 18:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They did that when they delayed the ceasefire because they wanted Hamas to release the names first. The ceasefire did go into effect, and Hamas released the names and the hostages. Personisinsterest (talk) 22:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely ready The prisoner exchange is ongoing. ArionStar (talk) 02:47, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: another ping, this item should now be posted, as the ceasefire is currently active, with prisoners being exchanged by both sides. I support using the original blurb, or Alt II. Natg 19 (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest

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Article: Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested after his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested in a standoff involving over 3000 police officers.
News source(s): https://www.chosun.com/national/court_law/2025/01/15/YE7U73ANOJEUFPXBYEFD72XO5U/
Credits:

Nominator's comments: First time in South Korean history a president got arrested, or even received an arrest warrant. Ca talk to me! 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as his arrest is the first of a sitting (albeit suspended) president in South Korean history. This event is noteworthy enough in its own right, independent of his impeachment in December (which has already happened twice before) Prince Of Iso (talk) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Unlike Impeachment of prime minister Han Duck-soo, this is direct consequence of the Martial Law declaration. He would not have been arrested if he attended any summons he received, but if he were the kind of person to attend the summon, then he wouldn't have declared the Martial Law. Didgogns (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We posted the arrest of Trump, I can't see how this is fundamentally different from that. Also to be noted here are the multiple attempts to evade arrest by Yoon, including with the help of his presidential guard. Gotitbro (talk) 06:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yoon has already been impeached, the arrest a formality in completing the process. Trump has not been convicted, but it was being indicted that was the story, the necessary arrest and booking a part of that. Effectively, this is like posting an inauguration after we already posted the election results; its part of the process and not the newsworthy part of the process. Masem (t) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- a sitting head of government being arrested should always satisfy ITN criteria, in my opinion. --RockstoneSend me a message! 06:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Trump precedent This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. Secondly, he's been already impeached for the illegal declaration of martial law, so the arrest warrant was a highly anticipated logical consequence. Thirdly, he's no longer sitting president as he was impeached a month ago. Fourthly, posting Trump's arrest was a mistake, and I don't think it should be used as a precedent. We don't really need to post every single development in the story. Let's wait to see if he gets convicted, and then we can post it as a conclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. In common English usage, "arrest" means "a detention during which one is not legally free to stroll out the door at any time one chooses"—it has nothing to do with whether one walks into a law enforcement office and surrenders to law enforcement vs being tackled while on the run by half a dozen officers and cuffed and shackled while helicopters circle overhead. It is quite common in "non-violent crimes" (like financial "white-collar crimes") for law enforcement to communicate back and forth with a suspect's legal counsel and mutually agree upon a time/place for the suspect to present themselves for arrest, vs smashing the door down at 1 AM. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A major event of the Korean crisis. ArionStar (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above, still important. Sahaib (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Culmination of a two-week standoff where Yoon has been using his presidential security and supporters to resist arrest. Describing this as "voluntary" is disingenuous, since Yoon himself said that he "voluntarily" decided to surrender after watching a 3,000 strong police contingent dismantle the barricades his security team put up and use ladders to infiltrate the compound, and insisted that the whole thing was unconstitutional. Also, it's very big worldwide news, and a historic first for a sitting president in the country. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 12:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Kind of. He can still return to power depending on the Constitutional Court decision. Ca talk to me! 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    He still holds the office, he just has essentially zero power unless the Constitutional Court ruling rules in his favour. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support altblurb 2 - not just the arrest. The standoff at Yoon Suk Yeol's residence is much of the story, not his ultimate arrest. A president of a major nation having a 13-day standoff with law enforcement of his own country to me seems extremely ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sitting head of government arrested" seems notable enough, and is something "in the news" internationally. Suggest modification on altblurb: "South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is arrested following a 13-day standoff." Keep it pithy, if people want more details that's what the links are for.
Note on linking: the prez bio article is currently titled Yoon Suk Yeol. Main Page links should reflect WP-canonical Romanization, so make sure to change that presuming the title is the "right" one. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - very notable, sitting president arrested
Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 14

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January 14, 2025 (2025-01-14) (Tuesday)

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(Ready) RD: Nello Altomare

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Article: Nello Altomare (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News Winnipeg Free Press
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Provincial cabinet minister from Manitoba, Ontario. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:16, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Furio Colombo

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Article: Furio Colombo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Messaggero Notizie
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian journalist and politician. Article is a bit short but I believe enough for RD. Can't comment on the sources used TNM101 (chat) 14:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Heinz Kluetmeier

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Article: Heinz Kluetmeier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Athletic
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-born American photographer noted for the Sports Illustrated cover of the Miracle on Ice. rawmustard (talk) 03:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Slattery

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Article: Tony Slattery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British comedian, best known for being on the original uk Whose Line is it Anyway?. Several unsourced and cn tags on article. Masem (t) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Simon Townsend

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Article: Simon Townsend (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/simon-townsend-has-died-journalist-tv-presenter/104818750
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian journalist, and conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, who spent time in prison, then later became host of a very popular childrens TV show, Simon Townsend's Wonder World. HiLo48 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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